Hi all, First, I'm a bit of an outsider here as I own a R1200R. I joined this forum for a different perspective on accessories for and advice about the many common features on these bikes (the discussion on AUS/NZ mudguard has caught my attention!). My question is about one of those shared features - the OEM crash / protection bars. I bought my bike used, and it had these bars mounted. I've decided to remove them for a couple of reasons, but after looking at the BMW parts lists, it's unclear whether I need to replace the lower bar/frame/engine mounting bolt with a shorter one, or reuse the one that is holding the bar on at this point. My assumption is that the existing bolt will bottom in the engine case and will need to be replaced with a shorter bolt once the bars are removed. The BMW parts list for the engine protection bars kit shows an M8X35 bolt for this mounting point (#4 on this page: http://parts.bmwmotorcycles.com/a/BMW_2016_R1200R/_51523_7317065/Engine-protection-bar/77_0722.html) - however, the bolt in this position on the frame parts list is an M10X45 (#5 here: http://parts.bmwmotorcycles.com/a/BMW_2016_R1200R/_51518_6525002/Main-frame/46_1671.html). Given that this bolt's primary purpose is an engine mounting point, the larger size makes sense, but doesn't square with the kit bolt size. I'm either looking at two different things, or there's something I simply don't understand when looking at these images. Is there anything else I need to consider when removing these protection bars? For example, the torque for the replacement lower frame mounting point/engine mount bolt? Help is appreciated! ---- Edit: Since writing this post, I've gotten some feedback from forum members and have removed the bars. Engine Guard Part: The part that was on my bike (different from that linked above - and less confusing): http://parts.bmwmotorcycles.com/a/BMW_2016_R1200R/_51523_7317066/Engine-protection-bar/77_0907.html Mounting details: Front upper bar mount: The front upper tab of the bars mounts behind a frame tab via an M8x30 screw, washer and spacer that comes with the bars. The order of parts from outside-in is: screw->flat washer->frame tab->spacer->bar. The bar tab (chuckle) is threaded to accept the screw. Torque is 19Nm. Front lower bar mount: This mounts directly to the crank case using an M8x35 screw and flat washer that comes with the bars. Order is: screw->bar tab (with attached spacer)->washer->crank case. Torque is 19Nm Rear lower bar mount: This mounts on the surface of the frame using an existing M10x45 screw. The order is: screw->flat washer->frame->crankcase. Torque is 55Nm. Other Notes There are two engine guards listed on the various parts pages - the link above is closest to what I took off my bike. In addition, the installation instructions provided by forum member Mr Vrooom were labeled as "retrofit" and references two screws and a reinforcing plate (per side) for the front upper mounts that my bike didn't have (which has one screw and a spacer per side). I don't know if the retrofit was a earlier or later version of the bars, or if for some reason factory applied bars are different than those sold after the fact. FWIW, I haven't yet found a part number that includes the reinforcing plates. The instructions for "retrofit" guards were inconsistent regarding thread locker. It seems reasonable to assume that medium strength Loctite should be used on all points when mounting. Fun fact: the M10 hole (including the frame thickness, but not the bar's tab thickness) is 52mm.