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Future Display for the 2019 models?

Discussion in 'R1200RS Tech and Performance Chat' started by Jeroen1969, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. Jeroen1969

    Jeroen1969 Well-Known Member

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    When I was at the dealer last Thursday for it's 600 miles / 1.000 km service, I spotted the brand new GS with it's clever display (that replaces the clocks). The dealer gave me a demo on how one can navigate through the numerous options. That went rather smooth. The display has a nice matte screen that will most likely not cause too much problems when sunlight hits it.
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    The screen is an extra option, at a cost of € 680,-.
    Somehow I get a feeling future RS's will have a similar screen as option. Who know's, possibly even a retro-fit kit?
    Should the latter be the case, I for one will not be in the market for that since I guess retro fitting would mean an investment of close to €1.000/$1.000. Most of those functions that are in that screen are also available when you have the Navigator VI hooked up and the app installed on your smartphone. The only "downside" of that set up is that you need to have the Navigator installed. And as I learned from my insurance company, despite the lock mechanism, my Navigator VI is not insured when left in the cradle and the bike not parked inside... Meaning I don't take it to work..
    That being said, I personally believe the Board Computer Pro set up gives me ample info, just a tad more scrolling possibly required to get to the info that I need. Scrolling that most likely works better with that full colour screen.
     
  2. Andy Griffiths

    Andy Griffiths Well-Known Member

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    Have to say that it is crazy that the Satnav is not incorporated into the TFT. The screen is big enough and the software should be able to prioritise functions via the wonder wheel
     
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    swedkg Active Member

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    No, it is not crazy, it's just plain stupid that you need a secondary screen on top of the large screen just for navigation.
     
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  4. Bravo

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    I like it,hope when I get my new RS in 2019 it's standard fitment.
     
  5. SauRoN

    SauRoN Well-Known Member

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    It does have navigation built-in, but it's BMW's own system and requires your phone.

    If you want the added hardcore navigation of satellite based GPS then you need to fit the Garmin unit.

    Personally that's what I would like most and wanted all along and would happily forego the Garmin for the more modern Smartphone based navigation.

    The Garmin is an archaic, old-fashioned and often useless thing unless you really desperately want satellite based GPS.

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    What I especially like is that it's dumbed down navigation so you don't need to follow it to a tee, turn by turn which is exactly what I want on a motorcycle.

    I still want to be "free" and only have the thing stop me from getting woefully lost.

    What I hate most about the Nav V that came with my bike is that I got so indoctrinated into using it and can't stop looking at it.

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    http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2017/july/bmw-tft-dash-explained/
     
  6. Jeroen1969

    Jeroen1969 Well-Known Member

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    The thing I appreciate in my Garmin Navigator VI is the fact that I can construct my routes on my laptop and then export these routes to the navigation unit. I'm not sure whether that basic navigation application of BMW is going to support that, my guess is: not. Hence the reason why people that buy their bike with this display opt to have a Garmin Cradle on top of TFT display. Other great features I particularly like about my Navigator VI are the Speed Limit Camera alert feature and the traffic information feature. Though the latter sometimes warns me for traffic jams that are not there, it very accurately predicts road blockage, accidents and stuck vehicles. But that info comes from an app on my iPhone, so it could be this type of info is also available on the TFT screen as that is linked to a smartphone to provide navigation, I take it it should not be that difficult to add traffic information on top of that.
    One little disappointing feature of my navigator VI is the weather radar. I get to see the whole bloody country and can only zoom in to a certain extend. I had hoped I could zoom in more and thus navigate around nasty rain showers. Perhaps in a next software update.
     
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  7. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    I'm going to guess the RT gets it in 2019 and the RS in 2020.
    This is only a guess.
     
  8. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I am looking forward to BMW inserting a chip into my brain when I purchase a new motorcycle so that I can receive important product announcement updates and speed limit warnings directly without having to look at and focus on a TFT or Garmin screen. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. shorn sheep

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    I like the idea of the tft screen mainly as it has the crucial info blasted out in full colour so the brain gets what it needs to know without having to wait for eyeball dept to search the information and send up an orange tinted photo. I think it's outrageous that (a) the tft is offered as an option at extra cost on the GS and (b) it may or may not appear in 2019 0r 2020 on an RS. As I have ranted about before, Aprilia has the interactive tft on all the Tuono's etc and KTM has a hugely updated electronics package for 2017, these improvements are getting such good reviews from an appreciative motorcycling public that people are trading up their 2016 machines- because they want contemporary technology on their expensive bikes. Some of us might be dead by the time they stick a new screen on!
     
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    Cheery thought to see 1st thing in the morning.
     
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    Surely your phone is using satellite GPS to know where it is? If it is using the cell network then it will only provide an approximation.
     
  12. SauRoN

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    Yes but what I mean is your Garmin can operate without the phone completely (sans traffic information).

    The bike's navigation won't be able to operate without the phone, and in most cases the phone apps don't work without internet connectivity for the map data unless specifically loaded offline.

    Remains to be seen exactly how the BMW system will function in this case, but I'm willing to bet without cellular it won't be doing much.
     
  13. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Check out the instrument display on this 300cc Honda that sells for $4,650. If Honda can supply a TFT display on an inexpensive motorcycle for no extra cost, why does BMW want to charge $500 as a factory option for their similar display? :eek: Is it because that they assume that their customers have more money than they need and they assume that we won't notice that other manufacturers are offering TFT color displays as standard fitment and not as an extra cost option? :rolleyes: http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/honda/2019-honda-cb300r-announced-america.html
     
  14. MrVvrroomm

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    Because they can? Up until model year 2018 you had to pay extra for a back up camera in BMW cars. Basically every Honda car sold in the US has had back up camera standard since model year 2013.
     
  15. swedkg

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    Because the target audience that can afford a 20k bike can definitely afford a €500 low res TFT screen that would most certainly resell for no more than €75.
     
  16. Grumpy Goat

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    And that is the part of BMW that I don't appreciate. I don't mind paying extra for premium features that no one else has. But charging a bunch extra for features other manufacturers can deliver for cheaper and likely with greater reliability just because the demographic can afford it is bordering on insulting.

    Right now the RS wins because it is the best that there is for what it is supposed to be - a sporty sport tourer. But if one of the Japanese manufacturers makes a bike that delivers the same as the RS and for less money, BMW will stop with the RS. Millennials won't put up with what they are selling.

    Its like the old BS argument that people used to use to justify their purchase of Ford / Chevy / Dodge ... I bought it because in my family we always bought Ford / Chevy / Dodge. Then the Asian manufacturers kicked their asses and guess what ... the big three stopped putting crap on the market and started offering decent competition to the Asian cars. In motorcycles, look what is happening to HD and the like ... they will have to change or die.
     
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    Jeroen1969 Well-Known Member

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    Been away a while, sorry, but the RS has been sitting in the garage the last few months due to too much salt on the roads... Picking up reading here as the moment that the RS gets to stretch her legs is getting nearer and nearer. First I have to accumulate another 1.000 km on the RT that is due for its service (as of last month), though the year has past since last service, I'm still 1.000 km short. As I am Dutch, I will definitely finish up those kilometers first...

    Which brings me to agreeing entirely with Grumpy Goat. Extremely annoying behavior from the Berlin Based Bike Manufacturer. Makes me wonder: how come the competition does not provide a valid alternative for the RS???
     
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    Triumph tried with the Sprint - it sold well when it first came out but most of the potential buyers go with Adventure bikes so they have not invested any money in developing it when the Tiger 800 is doing so well. Same with the VFR: Honda tried to make it a premium sport tourer but nobody bought it. The only ones that are making sport tourers that sell are Kawasaki Z1000SX & Yamaha Tracer but they are in the budget aisle of the bike supermarket.
     
  19. Grumpy Goat

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    I think that the closest is the Yamaha FJR1300 but the looks of that bike does not impress me. The sweetest bike that I ever did see in this segment was the now discontinued Honda VFR1200F. I just wish that Honda would consider bringing this one back. Google searches do come up with pages for 2018-2019 models of this bike but I think that they are just wishful thinking ...

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  20. MrVvrroomm

    MrVvrroomm Well-Known Member

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    At least here in the US, sport-touring bikes don't sell. How many BMW dealers here have an RS on the show floor today? Just look at the residual on a 2 year old RS vs GS.
     
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