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Back to the CA DMV to fly in 2020

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  1. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Yesterday, news reports stated that the U.S. government says that the current California vehicle license document sucks as a valid ID for flying on a commercial airliner. In order to fly from any U.S. airport after 2020, a new CA DMV license or ID card will be required. These licenses will begin to be issued by DMV offices starting January 22, 2018. In order to obtain this new "Federal-style" license or ID document, you will have to visit the DMV (plan to stand in line for hours) and present both your birth certificate and your Social Security card. However, you will still be able to fly with the old-style drivers license if you have a valid and current passport.
     
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    Lee Well-Known Member

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    That's one thing I like about small town Iowa,when I go to the courthouse if one person is in front of me at the counter I consider it a long wait :)
     
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    SoCal RS Active Member Contributor

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    So our current CA license sucks so badly even the CA DMV won't accept it as valid? Ugh..
     
  4. Aussie Import

    Aussie Import Well-Known Member

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    Madness. Total madness. What document can't be faked, especially when vetting becomes routine and the vetters are treated like low paid process workers?

    Balanced against public safety is the regimentation of the public to the point where the state can id each of us at any time.

    There have been books and films made about this, and with early 21st century technology there is a risk a monster will be unleashed, e.g. factory fitted trackers to our vehicles.

    Sometimes it is good to be old.
     
  5. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    My guess is that this requirement goes back to the days when CA was planning to give all "undocumented" residents of our state a driver's license. Last finally did last year the CA DMV issued millions of special driver licenses to people who shouldn't be here, even opening up special Spanish-speaking DMV offices just to issue these new licenses. I assume that these special drivers licenses will not get you pass security in order to board a domestic airplane flight, unless you have a valid passport. My guess is that you are going to see even more 1990-era Honda Accords and Civics at I-5 rest stops after 2020. Of course, it could also happen that a lot of fake birth certificates and Social Security cards might just start appearing on the black market.
     
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    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I guess it is finally time to "get real". ;)
     
  8. Aussie Import

    Aussie Import Well-Known Member

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    It is clear this US government move is not "new" news from the DHS paper.

    I guess my rage should be reserved for the introduction of transponders into citizens bodies for ID, location, consorting and other activity monitoring.
     
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  9. Mr. 36654

    Mr. 36654 Well-Known Member

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    PA is in the same boat....... As a result, I carry a US Passport card to insure access.

    It was a Federal law, but no funds were provided to the states for implementation.
     
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  10. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I expect California to be the first country in the World (beating out North Korea) to require a chip to be implanted into every one of their residents so that they can be taxed based upon how much they move each day. :rolleyes: Plus, the chip would give you a stiff shock if you passed the border and tried to spend your money in some other state. :eek:

    Regarding "Federal laws", don't forget California is now officially a "sanctuary" state and we no longer have to pay attention to laws passed by the U.S. Congress. o_O
     
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  11. Aussie Import

    Aussie Import Well-Known Member

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    How shameful.
    In Melbourne we have 4 crackpot local councils that will not celebrate Australia Day in their suburbs. They condemn our national day as "Invasion Day".
    The councils are dominated by "socialists" being old fashioned cold war communists without a historical grounding in Marxism Leninism (they are likely to spell it as "Lennonisn") and the Greens.
    Our Aussie Greens lay claim as the only political party that has a policy on extra-terristrials. They are the watermelon party. Green on the outside, red in the middle.
    Total f-wits.
     
  12. Mr. 36654

    Mr. 36654 Well-Known Member

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    Ignoring this law in PA was originally because it was an unfunded mandate. After the Federal administrations changed, PA refused based on "State's Rights" and resistance to executive over reach. In both cases, it was a GOP dominated legislature that took these actions.......

    Maturity and sanity is in very short supply these days....
     
  13. Richard230

    Richard230 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I agree that new laws aimed at someone else should not be "unfunded". Unfortunately this seems to occur all the time. :( California's plan was to ignore the license requirement mandate and issue licenses that did not comply with the regulation. So the Federal government retaliated with the requirement that if you didn't have the new license you couldn't fly on an airplane from a commercial airport. So if you want to fly after 2020, you need the new license. But if you are going to drive everywhere after that date then you can keep your old license.
     
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    Mr. 36654 Well-Known Member

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    The Passport Card gives you a safe ID issued by the federal gov't and valid at all federal facilities.
     
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    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Also the passport card allows you to enter Canada and return to the US if using ground transportation. I do not believe the passport card works for international air travel which could be a concern if traveling in Canada and you needed to fly back to the US in an emergency. I used my passport card going around Lake Superior last year.
     
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    Mr. 36654 Well-Known Member

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    Darrell,
    You're correct on the air transport issue, but land and sea travel to Canada, Mexico and some Caribbean Countries can be handled with the card.
     
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    Thanks. Was not aware it worked with Mexico and some Caribbean Counties.
     
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    An american thing good luck lads.
     
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    Mr. 36654 Well-Known Member

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    Won't Brexit bring back some passport issues for you folks?
     
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    They are changing the colour of passport big deal but the way things are going it my never happen. The brexit thing is a total mess should never have happened.
     

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