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50,000 Miles - Darrell's Comments, Replies to Messages, Costs

Discussion in 'BMW R1200RS Reviews' started by darrell, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. darrell

    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    First of all thanks to all of you who have posted on this forum. In the last 2 years I've read every word, every post, and every thread making notes along the way with information I felt would help me. Your input has gotten me to where I am today. Special thanks to Tony (Tony T), Lee, Bruce (MrVvrroomm), Ray (Ray 2), Wayne (Grumpy Goat) and Terry (terry847) for the input you have given me directly over the months. Your information and help over the past 18 months has been very beneficial.

    I've been sent a few questions by members and some have posted on line. I will try to answer those. How long will this bike last? 200,000 - 250,000 miles is not out of possibility with proper care and maintenance and minimal abuse. How long will I keep mine? No idea at this time but based on the past 20 years of experience a long time. I currently have boxer engine bikes in the garage that are 11 and 15 years old with 65,000 and 117,000 mile and neither of these have had engine or transmission work other than seals. How does the bikes finish hold up over time? I think extremely well. I have a couple of small chips on the lower panels and a couple of minor marks on the front fairing but for a bike with these miles I'd expect that. How much warranty work has been needed? Replaced the luggage rack for dripping rust and the right front fork seal and eventually the full fork tube due to leaking. That is it. Has anything worn out on the bike? Yes the left footpeg rubber which will be replaced at my next service, nothing else. Is there one item you added to the bike that made a big improvement? The Vortex GPS relocation bracket that HighTide Technologies built is the smartest item I have added. Have you changed any ergomonic features on the bike? The bike is exactly as delivered. I've not changed the footpegs, windscreen, etc as everything works for me. Has the bike used any oil since new? I have added 1 pint in total for the 50,000 miles. What do I feel the real cost of ownership is for a bike like this? I have always used the figures of $0.09 - $0.12/mile for tires and maintenance as a reasonable number. This varies by how much work you do on your bike vs having a shop do the service. I'm at $0.119/ per mile right now. I have not done a thing on this bike myself except ride it, maintain tires pressures at 38 and 42 PSI, check for loose nuts and bolts, plugged tires when I picked up nails (4 so far) and put gas in it. I'm using only 91 octane and ethanol free when I can find it. I have all the tools, tire changer and balancer in the garage having done all my own maintenance in the past on bikes but decided on this one to ride it and let the dealer take care of the bike. Do you have a budget number you use when you travel? I was out of the state of Minnesota this year for 112 days, 108 nights, riding a bit over 24,000 miles on these 8 trips spending an average of $118/day for lodging, gas, meals, admission fees, incidentals. I did camp a few nights and stayed with family and friends a few nights. I usually eat my morning meal at the motel, have a protein shake at noon and eat a good healthy dinner in the early evening.

    As mentioned I have spent no time maintaining the bike nor installing tires despite having everything to do it in my garage. I decided to let the dealer do all the work on this bike and just ride the thing. The information below is everything that has been done on the bike since I ordered it in November of 2015, start build date was December 30, 2015, delivery to my dealer was March of 2016 and my first miles were on April 2, 2016.

    2016 R1200RS Information

    Motorcycle Purchase
    Motorcycle - $17100.00
    Rebates - ($1150.00)
    Tax, License, Registration - $1147.00
    Extended 6 Year Warranty - $945.00
    BMW OEM Accessories - $3276.88
    Aftermarket Accessories - $2921.11
    Moon Labor Accessory Installation - $862.41
    Total - $25,102.40

    BMW OEM Purchases Added to Bike ($3276.88)

    GPS Nav 5 with 4 Button Mount - $771.24
    Panniers with locks - $1042.89
    Pannier Liners - $240.74
    BMW Soft Tail Bag Large - $196.26
    BMW Soft Tail Bag Small - $175.55
    Tank bag from K1600GT - $283.43
    Tank bag mounting harness from R1200RS - $51.10
    BMW Rear Seat Bag - $202.36
    2nd Key Fob - $188.57
    Keys (2) without transponder, part # 51257688674 - $34.97
    BMW Rear Inter Fender - $60.00
    BMW Badge 45 mm for Advant, part # 31427708518 - $21.76
    Handlebar Bolts (4) - $8.01

    Aftermarket Purchases Added to Bike ($2921.11)

    Akrapovic Exhaust - $944.73
    Clearwater Darla Lights - $527.95
    Clearwater Billee Jr Brake Light - $117.37
    Machine Art Moto Avant Guard - 118.08
    Machine Art Moto Mudsling - $136.25
    Machine Art Moto X-Head Cylinder Guards - $172.59
    Vortex GPS Relocation Bracket - $175.00
    Protective film applied to pannier lids - $160.91
    Protective film applied to headlights, knee panels and top of gas tank - $85.82
    LED Turn Signal Bulbs - $107.00
    Sierra BMW Magnum Wolo Horn - $118.00
    Pirates Lair Helmet Lock - $100.00
    Barkbuster Storm Handguards - $41.40
    Alan GPS Brackets - $35.00
    Twisted Throttle Map Pouch for Tankbag - $36.95
    Excel Cycle Werkes Handlebar O-Rings - $22.50
    Rear Mudflap extension - $11.56
    Rework K1600GT tank bag with R1200RS harness - $10.00

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    Tires - Mileage When Installed, Brand, Model, (Mileage When Removed), Cost (Tires, M&B)

    Total Cost $3058.92 / Tires $2204.19 / Mount/Balance,Misc $854.73
    Cost per mile - $0.061

    0000 miles - Metzeler Roadtec Z8 (7735)
    7735 miles - Metzeler Roadtec 01 (3990) (a) - $380.37 / $164.30
    11725 miles - Michelin PR4 GT (11,063) - $397.47 / $114.40
    22788 miles - Michelin PR4 GT (6252) - $396.40 / $104.12
    29040 miles - Michelin PR4 GT (7906) - $412.43 / $156.50
    36946 miles - Dunlop Roadsmart III (8380) - $308.76 / $154.50
    45326 miles - Dunlop Roadsmart III (TBD) - $308.76 / $$160.91
    (a) tires removed before trip, could reinstall

    Some tires were removed before reaching the wear indicators as I was leaving on a longer ride and do not like to change tires on the road. The Dunlop Roadsmart III have been the best handling tires so far. And the cheapest.

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    Warranty

    7735 miles - replaced pannier racks
    11725 miles - replaced right fork seal
    22788 miles - replaced right front fork
    22788 miles - installed ABS Pro

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    Service ($2841.78)
    Cost per mile - $0.058

    998 miles - $208.32
    7735 miles - $158.36
    11,725 miles - $332.69
    17.958 miles - $140.85
    22,788 miles - $470.16
    29,040 miles - $182.56
    36,946 miles - $448.52
    43,969 miles - $200.32
    50,232 miles - $794.29
     
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  2. ray2

    ray2 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Nice.

    I probably won't respond in kind, though the numbers look similar. Not only am I unsure I want to know what my expenses look like, but also, I'm certain I don't want it added up in a place my wife can find.

    Thanks for setting the good example.

    And please tell us the little rubber tube on the footpeg is covered under that 6-y warranty....
     
  3. Aussie Import

    Aussie Import Well-Known Member

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    I would never want to put that much effort into tracking tracking expenses of a bike, but I suppose I have the raw data.
    More entertaining and brutal is to track expenses of marriage(s).
     
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  4. duccrazydave

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    Thanks Darrell. That is one comprehensive list! As I'm getting closer to my 12k service, I had to notice how much cheaper your service costs were than other threads on this forum. Two dealers I have contacted were in the $600-700 range for the 12k. I plan to take care of the fluid changes myself, creating a little savings, but still looking at a decent bill.
     
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    duccrazydave Member

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    Note to self- wake up before responding to a lengthy post, lol
     
  6. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    I'm not able to hide any expenses from banker Debbie :)
     
  7. darrell

    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    A couple of forum members have sent me a note asking if the costs I listed included everything. Yes, all labor, parts, fluid, disposal fees, tax (6.875% in MN) is included in the number. The dealer labor rate I believe is $99.00/hr. The other question is why I estimate the 50,000 mile service will be higher is the fact I have not had the fork oil changed yet so estimated that. My mechanic was okay with me waiting (he did mention at the 36,000 mile service we need to do). I'll let you know what it looks like when he changes it.
     
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  8. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    Darrell, I don't remember how you got ABS Pro at no charge. Was this a favor for being a good customer?

    Why did you buy the 4 button cradle when you have the wonder wheel?
     
  9. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    Did they replace the oil in the left fork when the right fork leg was replaced.
    I have not decided how often I will have the fork oil changed. May do it after our Arkansas trip. We're around 20,000 and 21,000 now.
     
  10. darrell

    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    The ABS Pro was installed under warranty as I understand BMW corporate offered some or maybe all dealers one free download for a customer who they felt promoted the BMW brand, represented the sport in a responsible manner, supported their business, was a long term BMW rider (21 bikes over 46 years for me), etc. The chose me for some reason.

    I purchased the 4 button cradle as it costs an additional $100 when buying with the Nav V, noticed used ones were selling on line for $100 so could always sell, have 3 other bikes I could use it on (but haven't installed yet) and they cost $190 if bought separately. Purely an economic decision.
     
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  11. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    That excludes a lot of us :)
     
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    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    They did not so the left fork has 50,000 mile on it with no oil change. I'm certain if my mechanic felt it was going to create issues he would have done it by now. I take the bike in Wednesday for the major service so will know Thursday when I pick it up. This will be the first time they asked me to leave the bike overnight so they can remove the forks and let them drain and reinstall the next morning. Every other service was a ride in a couple of hours before my appointment time so the bike can cool down and wait for the bike to be serviced.

    The valves were checked at those services close to 12,000, 24,000 and 36,000 miles and no changes have been made to them. Similar to my other boxer engines seldom ever needing an adjustment.
     
  13. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    It would be nice to use on one of your other bikes, or if you buy one of the retro models.
     
  14. darrell

    darrell Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I have 3 older Garmin 2730 GPS units with XM radio set up on those bikes so this works well for me so have not messed around with changing that set up. These all work fine yet.
     
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    Peter Burridge Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Great appraisal Darrell
     
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    Hehehe ... Darrell is definitely a "one-off". He tracks every expense, every experience, every place, every person, every detail. We got to know each other much better during the Arkansas Ride in earlier this year, and I can safely say that we are very similar riders (style and interests), although as an extrovert he has no peer.

    Darrell - this is a wonderful post made by the best person I have met in motorcycling. And all because of this forum and a meeting in 2016 at the Rally in NY. We have learned much from one another, and I can surely say that I have learned - and am continuing to learn - from you on how to be a bona fide motorcycle rider/tourer and a better person overall.

    Stay safe my friend. :)
     
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    Grumpy Goat Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Now why am I not surprised. :D
     
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    Darrell,
    I think I can pretty safely say that you are an inspiration to most if not all of us. And I think most of us are pretty jealous of what you have achieved with your riding. And I am glad to have met you and gotten to know you.
     
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    Blimey Charlie!
    Well done Darrell :)
     
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    (You know, maybe Bravo needs to sponsor a thread entitled "idiom of the week." I mean - I'm assuming this is the phrase one uses while cruising off-road through a dogging spot....)
     
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