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2015/2016 ESA modes differences

Discussion in 'R1200RS Tech and Performance Chat' started by The Woodster, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. The Woodster

    The Woodster New Member

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    I am seriously considering buying a new or second hand RS and had a very enjoyable three hour test ride recently on a UK 2016 SE Sport model.
    I loved the bike except for one thing: I found the rear suspension in 'road' setting to be slightly too hard for me as I have a bad back.
    When I spoke to the sales rep about this upon returning, he told me that BMW no longer has the 'comfort - normal - sport' settings this year which would soften the rear end enough for me. I have ridden a 2015 R1200GSA previously in 'comfort' mode and found it perfect for me.
    He didn't know if the 2015 RS retained these options or it was only on the GS/GSA, which I found strange and as it was a Sunday, nobody else was about.
    He recommended that I contacted BMW UK but they have not replied.
    Can anyone on the forum help me with this question please? Does the 2015 model have 'comfort - normal - sport' or the same as the 2016 model, 'road and dynamic?'

    I know I have other options to soften the rear end a bit such as fitting a lower rated spring or buying a non-ESA version (which I don't want to do) and setting it up manually but if it is as easy as sourcing a 2015 model, I'd rather do that.

    Does anyone know the spring rate of the 2016 shock?

    Thank you for any replies.
     
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  2. Peter Burridge

    Peter Burridge Well-Known Member Contributor

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    I think that the salesman is BS'ing. Road mode is Road mode and there is no comfort mode, just Road and Dynamic on the RS. I did find that mine softened after a couple of hundred miles.
     
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    folagana Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Someone use to add some memory foam material or gel layers... If you really need it
     
  4. Bart

    Bart Member

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    There is no difference between the 2015 and 2016 models when it comes to the ESA setup. As well the steering unit as the shock units have been newly developed for the RS but technically the rear unit is not that much different from the unit in the GS. In the Netherlands there is a company that does modifications to various ESA systems from BMW and they also modify the latest 1200 GS/LC shock. You might want to check if they do mods for the RS too. Their site is http://www.hksuspension.nl/producten/wilbers I'm not sure if they speak English but if need be I'm willing to check for you. Just let me know.
     
  5. Willy

    Willy Well-Known Member

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    The 2017 RS model may have the soft, medium, hard damping options on the ESA. If you go onto the BMW UK website, go onto the bike configuration and select the basic RS, then look at the optional extras, the ESA option states soft, medium and hard damping can be selected. Also shows the rear shock is gold anodised, 2016 bike shock isn't.
     
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  6. Bart

    Bart Member

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    Checked the Dutch website. The same is shown there but be careful, the picture shown there is not from an RS but from a GS. The information that goes with it might not be correct. For Europe the EURO 4 homologation is the most important change for 2017, so I would expect changes to the engine, gas tank and muffler, rather than changes to the suspension.
     
  7. Lee

    Lee Well-Known Member

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    I just checked the US site, which still has the 2016 info up. It shows Soft, Normal and Hard for the Damping, which is not correct.
     
  8. Peter Burridge

    Peter Burridge Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Curiouser and curiouser :)
     
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  9. Willy

    Willy Well-Known Member

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    Also check out daytime riding lights, note plural, states light under the headlight.......very odd, I am waiting for the 2017 brochure for download, that should clear things up but strange they have released the 2017 new colour for order but product descriptions don't seem right:confused:
     
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    Peter Burridge Well-Known Member Contributor

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    It wouldn't be the first time Bee Emmm Vee have got it wrong.
     
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  11. The Woodster

    The Woodster New Member

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    My thanks to all for your replies. Very helpful. It makes the picture much clearer to me.
    Bart - thank you for your kind offer to make enquiries with the Dutch suspension firm. I will contact you if I need to consult with them.
    This forum is great !!
     
  12. SPL

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    I was asking similar questions about the ESA on the S1000XR - response I have got is that there are no ESA changes between 2016 and 2017 on either the RS or the XR.
    The RS is a air cushioned hovering sofa by comparison to the XR BTW ;)

    I believe there are some drive train updates being marketed for all Boxers for 2017, but not something I would think would justify going new over used unless you particularly want a 2017 registration plate.
     
  13. woolf

    woolf Active Member

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    I have to agree , my bike has 10,000 miles on it now and I just got back from a 2000 mile trip and ROAD with luggage was a very soft ride , for me . Dynamic and self also worked well when called on . my RS works as advertised .
     
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    Yes! After my 2300 mile ride with the ESA on Road and preload on 1 rider +luggage, the bike was perfectly comfortable and predictable through all kinds of roads. Mountain twisties, coastal twisties, California and Oregon Interstates, city streets, city beltways...I never felt the desire for anything more. The sporty side of the RS way more makes up for any slight discomfort from the riding position with the stock handlebar/footpeg relationship. Especially when you get into some good windy roads! That's wind as in twisty, not windy! Just stop every couple of hours and you're golden!
     
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    Do you happen to know in which mode Preload was setup (1 helmet, 1 helmet + luggage or 2 helmets) might have made a bit of a difference.

    That being said I do find the RS to be a bit too sporty and also find the old 3 settings as found on other BMW's I've rode recently a bit lacking. Would have liked a comfort mode for day to day even though it's not necessarily the most stable option.

    I very rarely if even use the Dynamic suspension mode for this very reason.

    Also having a bad back it's not a deal breaker but could have been a bit softer. Compared to my Street Triple it's virtually a couch.
     
  16. The Woodster

    The Woodster New Member

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    Hi SauRon, yes, I had it on solo rider mode. Can't imagine that any of the other settings will soften the rear, in fact, the opposite. Preload only raises the rear to keep weight on the front end so the handling doesn't suffer with load. I'm sure that ESA will also increase rebound/compression for pillions and luggage etc. I'm beginning to wonder if it's about suspension travel. My Triumph Tiger 800 XCx has 215mm of travel and WP suspension. The RS also has good quality suspension (Sachs?) but only 140mm of travel, the same as my old VFR800. The difference of 7.5cm is quite pronounced and various suspension specialists have told me (in very simple terms) that the longer travel gives the shock 'time' to react to road surfaces. This makes sense to me but some didn't agree with this, although their complicated explanations didn't make sense to me either. To me, it explains why I can ride longer with no ill effects on my XCx but couldn't on my VFR fitted with an after market high quality shock (Nitron).

    Just to add another conundrum for laughs, I had a three hour test ride on an Aprilia Caponard and the semi-active suspension on that was absolutely superb. Suspension travel was 150mm and no ill effects on my back. They have similar menus to BMW and no 'comfort' mode. Surely Aprilia haven't got a better semi-active suspension set up then BMW have they? I think they have (for me). I love the name as well: ADD!
    (Aprilia Dynamic Damping) doesn't mean I'm going to buy one though but it was a good bike overall.

    Oh the 'dark art' of suspension !! Is it the GS for me instead? Thanks again guys.
     
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  17. Scorch

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    Agreed, the Dynamic suspension mode only makes sense on near-perfect roads, and therefore doesn't get an awful lot of use on my bike. There were lots of sections in Scotland where I switched over, though, and it took the ride to a different level.

    I'd also like a Comfort setting for day-to-day riding, but I can get along fine with the Road mode.
    (My ESA is permanently set to 1 Rider + Luggage, by the way)
     
  18. woolf

    woolf Active Member

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    Just set the mode in ROAD mode , ad cruise , the same as COMFORT !
     
  19. The Woodster

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    Hi woolf, this 'cruise' option you mention that can be selected on top of 'road' is unknown to me. I'll have to have a look into it. Thanks for your suggestion.
     
  20. Bazza Beemer

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    My wife has a bad back but when she wears a stretchy wrap around back brace she is fine. We use road setting and suspension on both 1 helmet + bag and 2 helmets. The 1 helmet + bag makes it pretty spongy when two up. Prefer 2 helmets when two up.
     

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